MONK: "Where is the Reality in appearance?" MASTER: "Wherever there is appearance, there is Reality." MONK: "How does It manifest Itself?" MASTER: (The master silently lifted his saucer.) MONK: "But where is the Reality in illusion?" MASTER: "The origin of illusion is the Real." MONK: "But how can Reality manifest Itself in illusion?" MASTER: "Wherever there is illusion, there is the manifestation of Reality." MONK: "Do you say, then, Reality can never be separated from illusion?" MASTER: "Where can you possibly find the appearance of illusion?"

(Ts’ao-shan Pen-chi)